Hailing from the Central Coast of New South Wales - which is now a productive creative hub for country music artists - Sarah Humphreys has released her third album, New Moon, which is a glorious collection of songs, experiences and moods. Recently I spoke to Sarah, who was delightful, honest and inspiring.
I
really love this line that was in one of the press releases saying, “I just get
this niggle in my heart, and then the songs come out of me,” and to me that
sounded like you trust your creative process, so I wondering did you always
trust it?
I did, yes, it’s always been
a very natural thing for me. I’ve
been writing songs since I was about eight, so I’ve spent a lot of time
developing that little inner voice, I guess - or just that thing that comes
from somewhere else and you’re not quite sure where it is, that creates things
out of thin air, so I’ve always been very connected with that part of myself
since I was a little girl.
A
lot of people can talk themselves out of trusting that though, so even for it
to come through when you were young, it could have felt like it was weird or
just you wouldn’t necessarily know what to do with it. Did you come from an
environment where you might have learnt to trust that?
Yeah. That’s a really good question. I have a very beautiful, soft, loving
mum who would just do anything for me or my brothers, and if she could see that
we were happy, then that was all that she needed, and we were able to follow
what we wanted to do. Me, being
the youngest, probably even more so than my big brothers, and I just feel like
I was never afraid of being the weird one, I wasn’t afraid to do that, I liked
not fitting in, I was quite comfortable with that, so if I was off writing my
little songs and wearing my funny little clothes, then I was really comfortable
and happy doing that.
It
sounds like you might have been one of those children that adults say of, “Oh
she’s been here before.”
I have had people say, “Oh,
she’s an old soul”, and I'm like, I don't know, I thought I would have had a
bit more of an idea about other stuff [laughs] but when it comes to writing, I
guess maybe I’ve been here before.
It
sounds like you had a strong sense of self, and obviously that was helped by
your family, it also through just being comfortable, being different, because
when you’re a kid in primary school and high school, there are so many forces
that especially for a young creative child would want to pull you away from
that.
Well, I just dove right in
and anything that was weird or strange, I was into, and I liked wearing strange
clothes and I was definitely an outcast by choice. I liked that about myself.
So
what sort of music did you grow up listening to?
When I was really, really
little, I listened to a lot of country and western music with my dad, so some
Hank Williams, Willie Nelson, he loved a bit of Boxcar Willie [laughs]. And we used
to listened to that driving around in his big brown Ford Falcon, and that’s a
very fond memory that I have. I
didn’t spend a heap of time with my dad, I spent more time with my mum, but when
I was with my dad, I remember those moments, and they were really lovely. And then as I got a bit older and
listened to Mum’s records, I really got really heavily into The Beatles and
ELO, Electric Light Orchestra, and that real poppy sound, so those two things
combined is kind of what I loved to listen to.
And
I can hear those influences in your music. It’s really hard to write a catchy
song and it’s really hard to make songs immediate for the audience, but yours
are really catchy and memorable in that pop way.
Thank you.
Well,
it is true, it is hard to do them, but you’ve also got that depth of lyricism that
comes from the country side, and especially that older country which is a
little darker. So that’s the end of my question [laughs]. I can hear your
lineage basically.
That’s good, and it’s a very
- it’s a good one [laughs].
So
just back to the songs on the album, when they poured out of you, how long did
it take?
Between about six to nine
months I wrote this album, and it happened very naturally, I didn’t try and
write songs for an album, I just kind of gathered them, I would say, I gathered
them over that period of time, and I was just playing them at Bill Chambers’s songwriters
night, and we all just got talking and thought it might be time to make a
record, so we did.
[Laughs] I like how you say that, “Like,
oh, yeah, I was just talking to Bill Chambers and he’s …”
He pretty much is just like
that [laughs]. It happens just like
that, yeah.
This
is on the Central Coast [of New South Wales] you’re talking about.
Yeah.
That’s
fertile ground for country music in particular, so have you found that you’ve
made a lot of connections, apart from the Chambers family, that have been good?
Definitely. I don't know what’s
going on around this area, but there’s just so many talented people around this
place. There probably are everywhere, but there seems to be a lot of music I
love around this part of the world.
It’s a lovely place to live and our songwriters’ night that we go to is
just full of amazing singers and songwriters and musicians, and we just love
it, so we’re very lucky.
Now,
of course, the mention of Bill Chambers leads naturally to a mention of Kasey,
who’s the producer of your album, and you’ve known Kasey for a while, but of
course that’s not necessarily an automatic qualification for a producer and
especially as she hasn’t done a lot of producing, so I was wondering how you
came to choose her?
I wanted someone who would
look after my songs and who would look after me not just in a musical sense, I
wanted someone who believed in what I did, and loved what I did and wasn’t just
standing around going, “Yeah, yeah.
We love it,” and just getting paid a heap of money to do it, and Kasey is
a good friend and she really does love what I do, and I just thought there’s no
one better that could make this record, and that was true, we had just the best
time making it. I felt really
comfortable and she has a beautiful ear, you know, she’s got so much experience
and she talks herself down and she always does about everything, but she’s just
got an amazing ear to hear what songs need and what they don't need, which is
really important too.
I
don't have any notes about where it was recorded, but I would imagine you didn’t
have to go too far from home?
No. We went to Foggy Mountain Studios, which is Nash’s [Chambers]
place. It was a bit of drive to the studio, but still Central Coast region, not
too far.
And
who else is playing with you?
So I’ve Liz Frencham on
double bass, she’s a beautiful singer-songwriter and musician who plays a lot
in the folk circuit, and I’ve seen her so many times and wanted her to play on
my record, I just love her, she’s from Victoria. And I got Sid Green on drums, he’s from the South Coast - another
really beautiful friend that was free and able to come play on the record. It all just worked out so
perfectly. And I had Bill Chambers
playing guitar, and I had Chris Morris, my partner, playing guitar as well, and
I had Michael Muchow playing guitar and he played mandolin as well, and I had
Harry Hookey do some singing and some writing and some harmonica playing, so,
yeah.
Well,
you had real Foggy Mountain Jam going on.
We did, yeah, we did
[laughs], and we were all in there at the same time playing the track through
together, but I was playing and singing with the whole band and we’d get a take
that we were all happy with and then sign off on it.
Well,
that explains to me a least why it sounds like you’re often singing with a
smile because you must have been really happy to be surrounded by them all.
I was. I was so happy and if you get us
together like we played a show a few weeks ago, we’re all together at a folk
festival and I just smiled for the full 45 minute set, because just being
around friends that are also musicians that you really respect and admire is
just the most amazing feeling, it’s so amazing.
Some
of these people came from other parts, so did you need a lot of rehearsal time
or it was just like, “Okay, well, let’s go, let’s try it.”
No. We had no rehearsing.
They had a copy of the demos and basically we’d just write out a pretty
basic chart before we tracked the song, and then we’d all just go in our
separate little bits of the room and learn it together basically, and by about
five, six, seven takes, the song would be done.
And
also I think that gives a lot of energy to the experience and to the recordings
as well, having that newness about the collective.
Yeah. And just looking over and seeing your
friends just loving on one of your songs, it just lifted me up.
Now
the album is called New Moon, and new
moon implies a beginning, but this is your third album, so I wondering if it
represents some sort of beginning?
Definitely. It’s about things in my - even in, how
do I say it? It’s about things
ending and beginning and then ending and beginning again, you know, it’s this
constant cycle of the moon that is so grounding and comforting to witness, it
happens every month and we’re renewed every month and we die every month - and
it’s a beautiful way to view life instead of everything must be good all the
time, it’s more about cycles, it’s more about seeing the tide going in and the
tide coming out, it’s more about the process of life instead of everything
having to be great all the time. And
when I went through a bit of a dark patch last year, it felt like it was going
to be dark forever, but it’s just important to remind yourself there’s always a
new moon coming, you know, and even when things are good, it’s important to
remind yourself it’s not going to last forever, enjoy it while it’s here, so
it’s just important that that sense of impermanence I think as well.
I
think it takes actually a bit of courage and discipline to be able to remind
yourself of that both in good times and bad, it takes courage to actually
acknowledge the fact that you’re going to have to let go of good times, just as
it take courage to be in bad times and tell yourself they’re not going to last
forever, so do you feel that that’s been a part of your life, having courage?
Yes. And it’s a tough one, I
think it’s tough on everyone to accept and understand that kind of stuff, but
I'm trying to understand it and I think I'm getting there more and more as the
more years that go on.
And
as someone who’s obviously very in touch with your creative practice and your
creative flow, the cycles of the moon as well can represent the ebb and flow of
creativity, so do you tend to find that in your work?
Definitely. I have times where I'm writing a lot, I
have times where I'm not really writing much at all. I have times where I'm feeling really energetic and ready to
go out and show everyone my songs, and I have times where I think it’d be
really nice just to spend some time at home and potter around and hang out with
my son. So I think it’s about that balance too, and I think we’re all trying -
everyone’s - that’s the key word of the moment.
[Laughs].
I think everyone’s trying to
get balance, but I think it’s a pretty good thing too to try and obtain anyway,
even if you trying, you’re doing better than if you weren’t trying. So if you
can try and have some sort of balance in your life where you’re not working too
hard, but you’re not working too little that you’re forgetting who you are
creatively, so it’s about striking that little balance there.
And
the lead single of this album is “Take Your Time”, and the lyrics of that seem
to express perhaps some of the realities and frustrations of having a career in
music. I was wondering if you felt those have been worth it, those realities
and frustrations?
No. Sometimes I don't.
I don't think they’ve been worth it [laughs]. I think that there have been times and that’s why I’ve
packed up and gone, “I am out of here for a while, I'm done,” because this
isn’t worth it, I'm missing things, you know. You can get so consumed in what
you’re doing in the music industry, I think, and also sometimes in your own
creativity, and especially the self-managed artists, there’s always so many
things to do and so many emails to write and so many people to call back, that
at the end of the day you just think, “Why on earth am I doing this”, and then
a song comes through you or you play a beautiful show with beautiful friends
and you go, “Oh, that’s right, I know why I'm doing this.” But there have been
many moments where I have thought this is definitely not worth it, yeah.
But
it also sounds like from a very young age, you had a real consciousness that
your creative work is in the service of something bigger than yourself?
Well, yeah, and that’s what
keeps me going and also the fact that if I never played another show in my life
or never made another album, the songs would still come, you know, and I’d
still want to play those songs, so it would never be a thing that, I will
always be playing music, I will always be writing, it’s as natural to me as
breathing, so I feel like what I have to give helps people, I feel like
sometimes the way that I say things in my lyrics, or a melody, can really touch
people in a way that they are surprised by it sometimes when they come to one
on my shows, so that’s a really, really, special feeling, and it’s happened
enough times that I know that that’s what I was put here to do.
And
what an amazing thing to have that realisation.
Yeah. Amazing. And I'm very grateful for it, and I love that that’s what
I’ve been chosen to do and my job is to look after myself and honour myself
with what I do and not just go around playing every single show I'm ever
offered, and I really need to take my time because I want to do it for the rest
of my life and I don't want to burn out, and I know that some people just get
really, really over it and I’ve been there, but I’ve taken some time off and
always come back going, “I love this” - it’s like a long lost friend, it’s
never going like too far away.
I
just realised we talked about when your song writing started, but I didn’t ask
you when your singing started, so at what age did you find your voice?
Well, that was when I was probably
as soon as I was talking I was always singing, I was singing in the bath,
singing in the car, singing everywhere, annoying my big brothers, so probably
when I was about three it started, and I didn’t have any lessons but I was
always picking out songs to sing and singing them by ear and singing harmonies,
so it just was definitely naturally what I was good at.
On
this album your voice sounds confident and strong and even commanding in places.
It feels like your voice is coming from a deep place. Some people sing in their
heads, some people sing in their chest but yours sounds like it’s coming from
lower.
Thank you. I think I'm getting a bit older now and
maybe it’s maturing in some ways I'm not sure, I just - I open my mouth and it
comes out however it wants to come out [laughs] so I just go, “Okay. If that’s what you want to do, that’s
good.”